Hastilude, judicial combat, duelling and practice

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Hastilude, judicial combat, duelling and practice

Post by Roger N » Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:17 pm

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Re: Hastilude, judicial combat, duelling and practice

Post by Roger N » Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:05 pm

And here are a few that Hugh contributed with in the thread on polearms.
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Re: Hastilude, judicial combat, duelling and practice

Post by Roger N » Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:12 am

Here are a bunch of new images from Wallhausen's 1614 manual.
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Re: Hastilude, judicial combat, duelling and practice

Post by Sternis » Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:37 pm

Very nice pictures there Roger.
I wonder if you could train your horse so well that it could perform all those manuevers.
This is also one of the first times I've seen firearms in a manuscript.
Though, I wonder how much value it has. Seems like he shows a lot of disjunct situations that can occur, but nothing about how to get there or get out of there.
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Re: Hastilude, judicial combat, duelling and practice

Post by Roger N » Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:21 pm

Actually, the manuscript contains quite a lot of text material and I don't really know anything about what is in there. I just liked these images. As far as I can tell, the text talks about warfare and not really sword techniques or such. It is written in German with some terms in latin, btw.

What IS interesting is that it appears to very clearly focus on training for actual battle, rather than judicial dueling.
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Re: Hastilude, judicial combat, duelling and practice

Post by Greg Mele » Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:31 pm

A great set of images, Roger! I really need to make time to get over here more - this forum is growing wonderfully!

BTW, this image:

download/file.php?id=114

From the Beauchamp Hours is particularly interesting, as Beauchamp is fighting Padolfo Malatesta, and the judge presiding is Galeazzo Gonzaga da Mantua - one one Fiore's students!

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Re: Hastilude, judicial combat, duelling and practice

Post by Roger N » Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:36 pm

Thanks Greg!
It certainly is interesting to learn more about the Beauchamps image! :)

Regarding Sternis question about horse training above, I came to think about these two clips:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eznO7RcI-RI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAutFtg_G6U

I have also gathered the images in an open folder online: http://www.hroarr.com/temp/wallhausen/
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Re: Hastilude, judicial combat, duelling and practice

Post by Sternis » Tue Apr 06, 2010 8:02 pm

Alright, I take back what I said. You CAN make your horse perform those actions.
Damn, these Spanish Bullfighters have some impressive skills.
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Re: Hastilude, judicial combat, duelling and practice

Post by Hans M. » Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:29 pm

Image

Where is this one taken from?
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Re: Hastilude, judicial combat, duelling and practice

Post by Roger N » Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:49 pm

It is a depiction of a judicial duel between a man accused of thievery and his accusor; Walter Blowberme vs Hamo Stare from 1249.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/educ ... g03cs2.htm

http://books.google.se/books?id=CikdpXS ... re&f=false
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