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Post by Frederico Martins » Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:22 pm

This is probably the only book published in jogo do pau technique.

Jogo do Pau: The Ancient Art & Modern Science of Portugese Stick Fighting.
by Luis Preto.

links:
http://www.chivalrybookshelf.com/titles/jdp/JdP.html
http://www.amazon.com/Jogo-Pau-Ancient- ... 101&sr=8-1
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Re: Jogo do Pau-The Ancient Art & Modern Science...

Post by Roger N » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:32 pm

Thanks Frederico! We appreciate you joining us and taking the time to help!

I have not looked into this manuscript any deeper yet, but it might be of interest to study Diogo Gomes de Figuryedo's manuscript on the Iberian two-hand sword "montante", to see if there are any similarities. From what I understand it describes circular cuts and drills that may be somewhat similar. The Montante is quite a heavy sword and keeping it in motion seems logical. Perhaps the Montante and JdP shares a similar origin?

http://www.hroarr.com/manuals/iberian/F ... k-1651.pdf

And in relation to the Montante manuscript, here are an ongoing discussion on: http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?t=98627

and here are a few interpretations on video: http://home.uchicago.edu/~advorak/Montante.htm

I have Luis' book already and I will give it a few more read throughs, now that I have taken part if his workshops.
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Post by Frederico Martins » Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:32 pm

Ive just read the montante rules and they do look like something we could do at jdp, he simply describes to strike left/right etc and so quick from one to the other that would make sense in loots of stuff.

Unfortunately he doesnt go much deep into techniques and whys so that part isn't comparable.
But it does make sense with something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpD9K5IV3bk
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Post by Roger N » Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:28 am

Yep that is what I was thinking. I think I read something about the montante being used by city guards to control citizens and it seems reasonable that techniques for handling multiple opponents without being outmanouvred would be clever.

Matt Galas holds lectures on the montante and here is a quote from a student who attended such a lecture: "Matt told us that different forms were described in the manuscript for specific purposes, like fighting multiple attackers, defending a bridge or an alley, or fighting on a ship" http://overninewaves.blogspot.com/

Full circular motions and "bridges" between different directions would come natural from that, just as it does with other staff traditions.

Compare with these cutting drills at 01:20 , created by Matt Galas, but filmed by another GHFS member:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMoZeXQIs4Y
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Re: Jogo do Pau-The Ancient Art & Modern Science...

Post by Frederico Martins » Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:16 pm

the rotating weapon is a very good principle for fighting multiple opponents since it covers alot of area, facilitates "flow" etc...

from that, jogo do pau deals with a lot more details that concern outnumbered situations that are vital to a real confrontation, such as space management, power etc... specially adapted for the staff through its development but should have parallels with sword fighting too.
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